What on Earth is Session Zero?

Kelly F. Hickel kfh "at" mqsoftware.com
Tue Nov 1 13:46:01 2005


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen [mailto:stephen "at" sptv.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:23 AM
> To: Kelly F. Hickel
> Cc: vnc-list "at" realvnc.com
> Subject: Re: What on Earth is Session Zero?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelly F. Hickel" <kfh "at" mqsoftware.com>
> To: "Stephen" <stephen "at" sptv.demon.co.uk>; <vnc-list "at" realvnc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:23 PM
> Subject: RE: What on Earth is Session Zero?
> 
> 
> > Of course it works.  I use it every day.
> 
> Are you running the server on XP Home edition, as this appears to be
where
> the incompatibility lies?
[Kelly F. Hickel] Yes, XP Home, XP Pro, windows 2k, etc.  every day.
> 
> 
> > Attacking someone's software ("does do only one thing...") while
trying
> > to get them to help you is a dubious proposition at best.
> >
> > I don't know what's wrong with your setup, but IIRC tightVNC and
RealVNC
> > have diverged a bit, so if neither works, it's almost certainly
> > something in your environment that's wrong.
> >
> > The fact that it works if someone does an AddClient seems
interesting to
> > me, but I think the next that I would try, is to swap the ip
addresses
> > between the XP Home and Windows ME machines, and see what happens.
If
> > the problem follows the ip address, then it's clearly something in
your
> > router setup.  If it doesn't, then it's something on your XP home
> > machine.  It could be something as simple as desktop control
software,
> > some fancy screensaver or desktop add on, or something like that.
> >
> > -Kelly
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vnc-list-admin "at" realvnc.com [mailto:vnc-list-admin "at" realvnc.com]
On
> > Behalf Of Stephen
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:50 AM
> > To: vnc-list "at" realvnc.com
> > Subject: What on Earth is Session Zero?
> >
> > I am getting really really fed up with RealVNC. All it will ever
ever do
> > is
> > say Connection Refused Eror 10061, and yes I have checked every
single
> > thing
> > to do with firewalls over and over again, all firewalls are
completely
> > off,
> > RealVNC viewer and server are exceptions in Windows Firewall list
> > anyway.
> > The exact same system works with a Windows ME PC on the same router,
and
> > no
> > the other PC is not switched on, and no I do not use the same port
> > number,
> > yes the server is running on the XP PC, yes I am accessing the right
PC.
> >
> > It DOES work if I phone someone at the other end and get them to
> > initiaite
> > the connection with "Add New Client", but it is never possible to
> > connect
> > from my end with RealVNC viewer, or http in Internet Explorer.
Because
> > "Add
> > New Client" is the only thing that has ever worked, it means that
the
> > full
> > extent of the usefulness of RealVNC is that it can be used if there
is
> > someone at the other end 24 hours a day who can be contacted by
phone to
> > Add
> > New Client manually to initiate the connection. This is not how we
want
> > remote control software to work.
> >
> > I e-mailed Real VNC's help and support explaining the reality of
Real
> > VNC
> > for the ordinary (XP Home) user, "it is a piece of software which
can
> > and
> > does do only one thing: put a message on the screen which says
> > "Connection
> > Refused" - in the REAL world RealVNC does not work." Their reply
was,
> > "current releases of VNC Server will only allow session zero to be
> > accessed
> > remotely, and this may best be ensured by disabling Fast User
Switching
> > nor
> > Remote Desktop in some cases. Disabling these features is described
in
> > the
> > Windows XP documentation, which may be accessed via the "Help and
> > Support"
> > entry in the Start Menu of your Windows XP system."
> >
> > I have disabled Fast User Switching and Remote Desktop, and it has
made
> > no
> > difference at all. What difference should it make? How is anyone
> > supposed to
> > know what SESSION ZERO is? What is it? I see no mention of session
zero
> > in
> > Real VNC or in Windows XP Help. If attempting to get RealVNC to work
> > relies
> > on an understanding of the meaning of "Session Zero", then no
ordinary
> > computer user can ever be expected to
> > use RealVNC.
> >
> > Can someone please point me in the direction of a remote control
Server
> > which DOES work on Windows XP Home Edition? NOT Real VNC Server, NOT
> > TightVNC Server (I have been down the same path with this and it
also
> > refuses to connect), NOT Windows Remote Desktop Server (deliberately
> > disabled by Microsoft in XP Home Edition), NOT Microsoft Netmeeting
> > Server
> > (also deliberately disabled by Microsoft in XP Home Edition.) Is my
> > problem
> > because this deliberate disabling also disables Real VNC Server?
> >
> > It seems to me that RealVNC IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS XP HOME
> > EDITION
> > and should not be advertised as though it is. Has anyone EVER had
the
> > remote
> > control Server running correctly and accepting connections on
Windows XP
> > HOME Edition?
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