VNC vs Radmin (was RE: VNC vs PC Anywhere)

Morris, Steve smorris "at" cereva.com
Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:13:45 +0000


I heard of radmin here a week ago. I downloaded it immediately and had
problem after problem. It crashed once. Mostly it had update problems with
exceed X11 server windows. I also saw long pauses. It seems to gather more
data before doing very fast screen updates. The update is impressive but
would be more impressive without the delays. Mouse tracking is very
impressive but that shouldn't be hard. Not many bits there. I'm surprised
VNC does so poorly with mouse tracking. They probably worry more about
efficient use of bandwidth and less about turnaround latency. Mouse tracking
is definitely worth special casing if only for the subjective impression of
speed it gives.

When I opened my faithful VNC window it definitely seemed clunky but it
worked. I'll keep track of radmin and try new releases but it seems quite
unstable for any but the most common configurations.

The claim of 150x speed improvement is obviously bogus. We know how that is
done. Find one tiny special case that one package optimizes exceptionally
well that the other handles as a general case. Construct a test that loops
over the tiny feature. Claim that the entire package is much faster. Such
numbers are less valuable than nothing because they make you misstrust the
source.

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Dewar Charles R [mailto:Charles.Dewar "at" lonestarhealth.com]
 > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:51 PM
 > To: 'vnc-list "at" uk.research.att.com'
 > Subject: RE: VNC vs Radmin (was RE: VNC vs PC Anywhere)
 > 
 > 
 > Weird. Now, I don't install the video hook (got a problem 
 > with stuff like
 > that), I just install the service. However, no one else I've 
 > talked to about
 > Remote Admin has had the problem you are describing. Did it do this
 > consistently across all PC's?
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Lee Douglas [mailto:LeeDouglas "at" pellis.com]
 > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:51 AM
 > To: vnc-list "at" uk.research.att.com
 > Subject: RE: VNC vs Radmin (was RE: VNC vs PC Anywhere)
 > 
 > 
 > Charles,
 > 
 > I downloaded the latest revision from their site just 2-3 
 > days ago. I'm 
 > disappointed that I had problems with it, as it was faster 
 > than vnc and 
 > seemed to handle such things as file transfer very nicely, 
 > among other 
 > features. Unfortunately, it kept losing sync with the screen 
 > on the server 
 > PC and the cursor kept getting lost....
 > 
 > Lee
 > 
 > At 11:22 AM 11/29/00 -0600, you wrote:
 > >Really?! Do you have 2.01. I've never noticed any stability 
 > problems with
 > it
 > >loaded on 9x, NT, or W2K. Not only is Radmin faster, but it 
 > has many more
 > >features and is easier to use. We still run VNC for alot of 
 > situations, but
 > >I prefer Remote Admin.
 > >
 > >-----Original Message-----
 > >From: Lee Douglas [mailto:LeeDouglas "at" pellis.com]
 > >Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:49 PM
 > >To: vnc-list "at" uk.research.att.com
 > >Subject: Re: VNC vs Radmin (was RE: VNC vs PC Anywhere)
 > >
 > >
 > >I've been a long time user of pcAnywhere, more recently 
 > bought LapLink 2000
 > >and have tried out VNC and Radmin. All of this has been 
 > between two WIN
 > >98SE computers running on a 10/100 BaseT ethernet network.
 > >
 > >The reason for all the struggles was that pcAnywhere was 
 > both slow and a
 > >memory hog. LapLink is somewhat faster and seemed to use 
 > less resources.
 > >VNC was a nice improvement on LapLink in terms of speed and 
 > resource usage.
 > >I've recently tried Radmin and been very impressed with its 
 > speed and sadly
 > >disappointed with its lack of stability. I've now 
 > "scampered" back to VNC
 > >and plan to stay here.
 > >
 > >Thank you VNC people, wherever you may be!
 > >
 > >Lee
 > >
 > >BTW, Radmin was noticeably faster that all but VNC - in the 
 > case of VNC, it
 > >was only slightly faster.
 > >
 > >
 > >At 01:54 PM 11/26/00 +0000, you wrote:
 > > >I used VNC for a while, when my coworker pointed me to 
 > another program -
 > > >Radmin.
 > > >
 > > >I download it, install and what I see:
 > > >
 > > >It's faster than VNC on my 10 mbit network. Not sure 
 > about 150 times
 > > >(There is a note on the Radmin website www.radmin.com , 
 > that Radmin is
 > 150
 > > >times faster than VNC) but definitely faster.
 > > >It has a lot of features, which I wanted to have in VNC.
 > > >There are Win NT security support, drag & drop file 
 > transfer, 128 bit
 > data
 > > >encryption.
 > > >
 > > >The only problem which I have with this software is that 
 > it expires after
 > > >one month, to continue I will need to pay $35 for two 
 > computer license.
 > > >I think I'll purchase it because, it's good price for 
 > speed, additional
 > > >features and lifetime tech support...
 > > >
 > > >In general, Radmin is my realized dream of how VNC must be.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >Yours, Rick.
 > > >
 > >
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